A conversation with Christopher Bonura about the apocalyptic tradition of identifying the Four Kingdoms prophesied in the Book of Daniel. Which one was the Roman empire? The fourth, scheduled to fall with the others, or something that came afterward (a tradition sometimes called imperial eschatology)? Among other topics we discuss Eusebios of Caesarea and the reign of Herakleios as possible turning points in this tradition.

Christopher Bonura is an Assistant Professor at Mount St. Mary’s University. He has published a monograph on one of the most important of these texts: A Prophecy of Empire: The Apocalypse of Pseudo-Methodius from Late Antique Mesopotamia to the Global Medieval Imagination (University of California Press 2025), though our discussion focuses more on two articles, ‘Eusebius of Caesarea, the Roman Empire, and the Fulfillment of Biblical Prophecy,’ Church History 90 (2021) 509-536; and ‘Eschatology and Apocalypticism in the Age of Heraclius,’ forthcoming.

Byzantium & Friends is hosted by Anthony Kaldellis, a Professor at the University of Chicago. You can follow him on his personal website. You can listen to more episodes of Byzantium & Friends through Podbean, Spotify or Apple Podcasts.

Top Image: The Morgan Library & Museum MS 429 fol.149