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What is a lesbian dad? 'The Last of Us' joke leaves Republicans confused and angry

Дата публикации: 09-05-2025 19:48:50


A recent episode of The Last of Us has introduced conservatives to the concept of a lesbian dad — and they are not handling it well.The fourth episode of season two sees Dina (Isabela Merced) reveal her pregnancy to Ellie (Bella Ramsey). Ellie handles her girlfriend’s pregnancy much better than she does in the game, responding, "So we’re having a baby. I mean, we — and also I guess Jesse are…it was Jesse, right?" When Dina’s expression seems to confirm the assumption, Ellie continues: "So we’re all having a baby. Holy shit. I’m gonna be a dad."
Naturally, that one line was all it took to send homophobic conservatives into a tailspin. "There is a reason I am not watching this Woke show," wrote an X user named @RetiredSubVet1. "Is Hollywood ever going to stop pandering to the minority?"Another complained that, "This is exactly why so many of us are concerned about the direction our culture is heading. We need to get back to common sense and traditional values."
In The Last of Us, it’s unclear as to whether Ellie actually wants to be called "dad" by her girlfriend’s unborn baby or whether it was just a cute little joke. But with transphobia being the hot topic among conservatives in modern society, haters were quick to latch on to the comment as super serious and more "proof" that "woke Hollywood" is legitimately trying to confuse people as to how babies are made.
Of course, ultimately, all the uproar proves is that these people don't care how stupid they look warping the meaning of something that's very obvious to everyone else.So let's dig into it for the willfully ignorant (and the genuinely curious) — what is a "lesbian dad?"
Not to be confused with "lesbian daddies," which are a decidedly different beast, lesbian dads are just lesbians who feel more comfortable using the term dad rather than mom in a parenting situation.They might be more masculine presenting and they may be the non-biological parent within the couple. They also may prefer to take on the more traditionally fatherly roles, like building the crib or taking the kids camping. Ultimately, none of these are requirements. The only requirement is that "dad" is a term they like to use.And it’s not a new term, either. Just like lesbian boyfriends and lesbian husbands, lesbian dads have been around for as long as lesbians have existed and dared to mess around with gender roles.Within the context of The Last of Us, most people understood this, despite bigots' determination to be upset over literally nothing.
"I believe this was something that people would call a “joke”. It’s when something is said or done to provoke laughter or amusement from an audience. If you have any further questions I’m here to help!"
"if there’s one thing about rightwingers that’s always consistent it’s that they get too angry to understand the concept of a joke"
"maga is upset a fictional lesbian character from a video game says she is going to be a dad."
"Did yall have a problem when SpongeBob did this over 20 years ago?"
"“holy shit i’m gonna be a dad.” is one of the most ellie coded things she could’ve said omfg y’all get mad at anything"
"Conservatives really do look at entertainment at just a surface level and take nothing in. Ellie makes dumb jokes around people she cares for. She did it in the games, did it in the 1st season. Media literacy you dipshits!"Unfortunately for those who remain determined to be upset over a lesbian making a comment about being the "dad," Ellie is, in fact, a fictional character and is unlikely to be bothered by their outrage. And it shouldn't stop all the real life lesbians and sapphic women who prefer to be called "dad" from using the term just because some losers on the internet need a new hobby.


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A recent episode of The Last of Us has introduced conservatives to the concept of a lesbian dad — and they are not handling it well.

The fourth episode of season two sees Dina (Isabela Merced) reveal her pregnancy to Ellie (Bella Ramsey). Ellie handles her girlfriend’s pregnancy much better than she does in the game, responding, "So we’re having a baby. I mean, we — and also I guess Jesse are…it was Jesse, right?"


When Dina’s expression seems to confirm the assumption, Ellie continues: "So we’re all having a baby. Holy shit. I’m gonna be a dad."

Naturally, that one line was all it took to send homophobic conservatives into a tailspin.

"There is a reason I am not watching this Woke show," wrote an X user named @RetiredSubVet1. "Is Hollywood ever going to stop pandering to the minority?"

Another complained that, "This is exactly why so many of us are concerned about the direction our culture is heading. We need to get back to common sense and traditional values."

In The Last of Us, it’s unclear as to whether Ellie actually wants to be called "dad" by her girlfriend’s unborn baby or whether it was just a cute little joke. But with transphobia being the hot topic among conservatives in modern society, haters were quick to latch on to the comment as super serious and more "proof" that "woke Hollywood" is legitimately trying to confuse people as to how babies are made.

Of course, ultimately, all the uproar proves is that these people don't care how stupid they look warping the meaning of something that's very obvious to everyone else.

So let's dig into it for the willfully ignorant (and the genuinely curious) — what is a "lesbian dad?"

Not to be confused with "lesbian daddies," which are a decidedly different beast, lesbian dads are just lesbians who feel more comfortable using the term dad rather than mom in a parenting situation.

They might be more masculine presenting and they may be the non-biological parent within the couple. They also may prefer to take on the more traditionally fatherly roles, like building the crib or taking the kids camping. Ultimately, none of these are requirements. The only requirement is that "dad" is a term they like to use.

And it’s not a new term, either. Just like lesbian boyfriends and lesbian husbands, lesbian dads have been around for as long as lesbians have existed and dared to mess around with gender roles.

Within the context of The Last of Us, most people understood this, despite bigots' determination to be upset over literally nothing.

"I believe this was something that people would call a “joke”. It’s when something is said or done to provoke laughter or amusement from an audience. If you have any further questions I’m here to help!"

"if there’s one thing about rightwingers that’s always consistent it’s that they get too angry to understand the concept of a joke"

"maga is upset a fictional lesbian character from a video game says she is going to be a dad."

"Did yall have a problem when SpongeBob did this over 20 years ago?"

"“holy shit i’m gonna be a dad.” is one of the most ellie coded things she could’ve said omfg y’all get mad at anything"

"Conservatives really do look at entertainment at just a surface level and take nothing in. Ellie makes dumb jokes around people she cares for. She did it in the games, did it in the 1st season. Media literacy you dipshits!"

Unfortunately for those who remain determined to be upset over a lesbian making a comment about being the "dad," Ellie is, in fact, a fictional character and is unlikely to be bothered by their outrage. And it shouldn't stop all the real life lesbians and sapphic women who prefer to be called "dad" from using the term just because some losers on the internet need a new hobby.

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Hernández, 38 (she/they), says that while growing up, she often acted as a court document translator for her migrant farm worker family as they navigated a justice system that regularly dehumanized and oppressed them.

A tireless advocate for social justice, Hernández holds various titles, including presiding judge of County Court at Law #6 and adjunct professor at Huston-Tillotson University and St. Edward’s University. They’re also the presiding judge of the Transformative Youth Justice Program, a community-centered diversion program for at-risk, system-impacted youth. Their work and dedication have been recognized locally and nationally, and their impact extends far beyond the courtroom.

“I have that firsthand experience of watching the dehumanization that happens in courtrooms … and that shaped my lived experience around how I see systems and how to bring humanity to the courtroom,” Hernández tells The Advocate.

Those experiences have not only shaped her perspective as a system-impacted person, but it now drives her passion as a professional who influences the law and runs a courtroom — one of the youngest to do so in Texas.

“It’s really what sparked the beginning of my passion for the law, because I wanted to be someone who could fight for my parents, and that eventually shifted into ‘I want to become someone who will fight for my community.’ I carry that with me every day,” they say.

Since 2023, Hernández has been running the courtroom in her district and creating opportunities for youth to get their records expunged, while also ensuring that every room she enters knows that she is unapologetically and undoubtedly herself.

“Ever since I stepped into this role, [I have been determined] to ensure that my work helps create fair access and true equality in the courtroom,” Hernández says. “Meaning, that anybody, no matter their gender expression, their gender identity, or sexual orientation — feels safe in the courtroom and that they feel and know that they are receiving justice in the courtroom.”

Achieving true justice and equality in the courtroom starts with acknowledging people’s humanity, by respecting their chosen pronouns, and addressing them by their chosen or preferred names rather than dead names, according to Hernandez.

As part of her work to protect and advocate for marriage equality, Hernández officiates LGBTQ+ marriages for free every June.

“When the Texas Supreme Court changed some of the judicial rules around allowing judges to decline to perform marriage ceremonies for LGBTQ couples, I immediately knew that there was something that we needed to do to create safety for queer couples in Texas — to let them know that no matter what, there are safe judges here,” says Hernandez. “So, I’ve been doing free weddings every Pride month for the past four years.”

Hernández celebrates love and thrives on creating safe spaces for LGBTQ+ people and communities of color, to ensure they're treated with respect and dignity when dealing with the justice system in the conservative state.

“I’m the youngest judge in Travis County, so it’s hard navigating these systems as it is, but looking the way I do — being a queer person of color who is masc-presenting in Texas — I get undermined quite a bit,” they add. “But I have a fight in me that no one can ever take away, and I’m constantly fighting.”

This article was written as part of the Future of Queer Media fellowship program at our sister publication, The Advocate, which is underwritten by a generous gift from Morrison Media Group. The program helps support the next generation of LGBTQ+ journalists.

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Bound Love Lies Bleeding Foxfire Sapphic outlaw movies New Line Cinema; A24; Samuel Goldwyn Company

There are so many great lesbian movies out there, from heart-wrenching dramas to hilarious raunchy comedies to movies features lesbian dirtbag characters, but our favorite kind of sapphic film are lesbian crime thrillers.

Give us sapphic outlaws, hot lesbian chemistry, and thrilling criminal enterprises, and we will binge watch them all.

We love movies that feature complicated female characters who don’t act the way society has deemed appropriate. Normal crime thrillers can be boring, but throw in women behaving badly — especially if those women are lovers — and we are IN!

Basically, we love the kind of movie where the TLDR is: Be Gay. Do crime.

It used to be hard to find movies in this subgenre, but in the last couple of years we’ve been getting more and more films featuring lesbians committing crimes in the most entertaining way possible. So, here are 11 lesbian movies to scratch that particular sapphic criminal itch.

Love Lies Bleeding

Love Lies Bleeding

Love Lies Bleeding

A24

Kristen Stewart and Katy O'Brian play lesbian lovers in a bloody crime movie. 'Nuff said. Ok, we'll say a little more. In Love Lies Bleeding, Stewart plays Lou, a gym owner/criminal, and O'Brian stars as a bodybuilder named Jackie, in this erotic thriller throwback. The movie is hot, steamy, and incredibly violent. Basically, it's everything we love in a film. Plus, KStew as a tank top-wearing buthc lesbian is our new favorite thing.

Where to watch: HBO Max

Bound

Bound

Bound

Gramercy Pictures

This mob-revenge movie has all of the crime, vengeance, and hot sex scenes between Jennifer Tilly and Gina Gershon that we could ever ask for in a lesbian thriller. There is a reason Bound sparked a queer awakening in so many ’90s teens!

Where to watch: Pluto TV

Honey Don't

Honey Don't

Honey Don't

Focus Features

The second chapter in Ethan Coen’s planned lesbian crime trilogy, Honey Don’t, stars Margaret Qualley as a private eye investigating a shady church leader (Chris Evans), and her love interest is none other than gay icon Aubrey Plaza.

Where to watch: Peacock

Ride or Die

Ride or Die

Ride or Die

Netflix

Based on a popular manga series, Ride or Die follows Rei, who must go on the run with her longtime crush Nanae, after she kills the woman’s abusive husband. The rest of the film is a fugitive road trip move that focuses on the women’s complicated relationship and growing feelings.

Where to watch: Netflix

Wild Side

Wild Side

Wild Side

Wellspring Media

This 1995 erotic thriller features Anne Heche as a bank executive-turned-escort who falls in love with the wife (Joan Chen) of a notorious money launderer played by Christopher Walken.

Where to watch: Roku

Foxfire

Foxfire

Foxfire

Samuel Goldwyn Company

The movie credited with the start of Angelina Jolie and Jenny Shimizu’s relationship, Foxfire features a cast of high school girls who turn the tables on a teacher who made sexual advances.

Where to watch: Rent on Amazon Prime

I Care a Lot

Netflix

We love movies about women behaving badly, so a film where Rosamund Pike plays a lesbian grifter who is constantly outsmarting men is right up our alley.

Where to watch: Netflix

Set it Off

Set it Off

Set it Off

Warner Brothers

In this heist movie starring Vivica A. Fox and Jada Pinkett Smith, Queen Latifah play a butch lesbian bank robber. Need we say more? We didn’t think so.

Where to watch: rent on VOD

Monster

Monster

Monster

Allstar

In Monster, Charlize Theron plays real-life serial killer Aileen Wuornos, and Christina Ricci plays her love interest, Selby Wall. It's gritty and bloody and gives you a fuller picture of why Wuornos became violent. If that's not enough to grab your attention, Theron won an Oscar for Best Actress for the role, and it was directed by Patty Jenkins, who went on to helm the two Wonder Woman movies.

Where to watch: Freevee

Eileen

Eileen

Eileen

Neon

Eileen stars Thomasin McKenzie and Anne Hathaway in a dark and twisted film about what happens when the boundaries of friendship become dangerously blurred.

Where to watch: Hulu

Thelma and Louise

Thelma and Louise

Thelma and Louise

Rex Features

While not textually queer, we’re still counting it because both Thelma and Louise leave behind unfulfilling relationships with men and commit to each other. Then there’s that farewell kiss that Susan Sarandon improvised! Plus, Sarandon said later that she thought her character would be a lesbian if the film had ended differently.

Where to watch: Prime Video

Butterfly Kiss

Butterfly Kiss

Butterfly Kiss

Dendy Films

Butterfly Kiss is a twisted ‘90s thriller about an unhinged drifter, played by the talented Amanda Plummer, who travels around northern Britain killing men and women while searching for her former lover. Think Thelma and Louise meets the depravity of Natural Born Killers or Monster.

Where to watch: Plex

Do Revenge

Do Revenge

Do Revenge

Netflix

Camila Mendes and Maya Hawke star as Drea and Eleanor, two high school students who band together to get revenge on their tormentors in this sapphic teenage crime movie set in this movie that is dripping with ‘90s references.

Where to watch: Netflix

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Bound and Bongo music video and Anthony Bowens

X @antoniovenomous; CardiB/YouTube; Gramercy Pictures

Scissoring is forever on our minds and is frequently debated by lesbians everywhere. Whether you believe that the legendary sex act is actually a thing or not, you can’t deny the power it holds over everyone’s imagination.

Regardless of whether you’re a huge fan of the much-talked-about sex position or think it’s something that only belongs in lesbian porn aimed at straight men, it seems like it will forever remain in the zeitgeist. From explicitly queer TV shows like Orange is the New Black to Katy Perry scissoring on stage at the VMAs, there have been key moments that have kept scissoring front and center in our collective memories.

So let’s take a walk down memory lane and celebrate the most memorable pop culture moments in scissoring history!

1. 'Blue is the Warmest Color'

Blue is the Warmest Color

Courtesy of Sundance Selects

In Blue is the Warmest Color main character Adèle scissors the blue-haired Emma, in a scene that has become controversial because of the many lesbians who argue that scissoring is the domain of straight porn and not something real lesbians actually do. But y'all saw it tho, right? 🔥

2. Katy Perry scissoring on stage

At this year's VMAs, Katy Perry performed “I’m His He’s Mine” with queer rapper Doechii that got so steamy the two scissored each other as part of the performance.

3. Bound

Gina Gershon and Jennifer Tilly in Bound

Courtesy of Gramercy Pictures

The sex scenes in the erotic thriller Bound are sexy, super horny, and full of undeniable chemistry between Jennifer Tilly and Gina Gershon. The accuracy of the lesbian sex scenes — which include scissoring and Tilly giving Gershon’s character a hand job — is thanks to the contribution of consultant Susie Bright.

4. Santana and Brittany on 'Glee'

While making out with Brittany on an episode of Glee, Santana casually mentions that it’s a “nice break from all that scissoring.”

5. Cardi B and Megan Thee Stallion

Cardi B and Megan Thee Stallion in the Bongos music video

Screenshot via CardiB/YouTube

Last year, Cardi B and Megan Thee Stallion collabed on the song “Bongos,” and the sexy music video features the two singers scissoring while wearing revealing red swimsuits — it’s hot!

6. 'Real Housewives' gives a scissoring demo

During a conversation about whether the women on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills would ever date a woman, Kyle Richards — who was making headlines at the time because of a rumored relationship with a female country singer Morgan Wade — demonstrated how to scissor with co-star Dorit Kemsley.

"When I was in Cabo with my friends a question came up about scissoring," Kyle said to the group who looked confused about what the term meant, "Here Dorit, should we show them?"

7. Renee Rap performs in front of giant scissors

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need her on coachella main stage with a full pair of scissors stat @reneé @coachella #reneerapp #coachella #talktoomuchreneerapp

In case you missed Coachella this year, Reneé Rapp quite possibly had the dyk-iest set ever when she was introduced by creator of The L Word star Ilene Chaiken and stars Leisha Hailey, Kate Moennig, and Jennifer Beals before dancing with girlfriend Towa Bird in front a giant pair of interlocking scissors. Could it get any more Sapphic than that?

8. 'The Handmaiden'

Courtesy of Magnolia Pictures

The Handmaiden, an adaptation of Sarah Water’s novel Fingersmith, has enough twists and turns to keep you guessing through the entire runtime, but it’s the sex scene between the two main female characters — which includes frantic, bell-ringing scissoring — that will likely stick in your mind until the end of time.

9. Unsimulated scissoring on 'The Real L Word'

Kelsey Chavarria and Romi Klinger

Michael Buckner/Getty Images for Advocate

While every moment in pop culture history so far has featured simulated scissoring or people talking about it, but The Real L Word went all the way. In one episode of the reality TV show, Kelsey and Romi scissor on camera in an unstimulated sex scene that stirred up some controversy.

“I think it got a lot of attention because it had never been shown before,” Kelsey told Autostraddle back in 2011. “It’s something that is very natural. In my opinion it’s not raunchy at all. It something that– you know, its making love. And people will always criticize stuff that isn’t familiar to them or something that‘s not fully accepted. And that’s why I’m glad that I did it because its out there and it needs to be accepted.

10. Gay pop group the Scissor Sisters

Pop group the Scissor Sisters, who started their career in the gay nightlife scene in New York, named their grammy-nominated band after the much-talked about lesbian sex act.

11. 'Book Smart'

Book Smart

Courtesy of Annapurna Pictures

In the Olivia Wilde-directed raunchy teen comedy Book Smart, Molly and Amy beat the merits of scissoring, much like every lesbian friend group ever.

"Do you know how many girls are gonna be swimming in your vagina next year?" Molly asks Amy. "Every time I come to visit you, you're going to be scissoring a different girl."

Amy responds, "Dude, scissoring is not a thing."

"Don't knock it until you try it," Molly says. That seems like a good life lesson.

12. Anthony Bowens scissors a granny

Out wrestler Anthony Bowen’s signature catchphrase “Scissor me Daddy Ass” went from dirty to adorable when he stops to say hi to a “granny” from the crowd and proceeds to scissor her... fingers that is!

13. Did a Nickelodeon show reference scissoring?

Victorious

Courtesy of Nickelodeon

On the Nickelodeon show Victorious, Jade talked about how her favorite film is a horror movie called The Scissoring. Scissors featured in the movie, but we know what they were trying to do. I mean, c’mon!

14. 'Orange is the New Black'

Poussey on Orange is the New Black

Courtesy of Netflix

During an especially graphic sex scene on Netflix's iconic show, Orange is the New Black, Poussey has to give up on a sex act that just isn't working out, telling her girlfriend, "I told you scissoring wasn't a thing."

15. The time Elliot Page talked about scissoring on 'SNL'

Elliot Page starred in a Saturday Night Live skit back in 2008 where Page’s character excitedly recounts an experience at a Melissa Etheridge concert and says the iconic line, “Why can’t I just hug a woman with my legs in friendship?”

16. Gabby Windey and Reneé Rapp love scissoring

Reneé Rapp was a guest on Long Winded with Gabby Windey, where the two women got candid about their love of the taboo lesbian sex act.

“Love scissoring,” Rapp said. “Because some people are like noooo, no, no, no, and like are we dense? Of course!”

Windey also admitted that while her wife, Robby Hoffman, isn’t into it, she’s “always begging to scissor.”

Our trip through pop culture history didn't settle the debate about scissoring, but it is incredible that in a culture that demonizes queerness of any kind, a sex act synonymous with lesbianism is so frequently referenced, talked about, and portrayed on screen.

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Now, the couple has teamed up with PETA for a new campaign sharing how their adopted dog has improved their lives and encouraging others to adopt pets as well.

The soccer players star in a new video where they tell the story of how they adopted their dog, Bobbi. In the video, Heath reveals that Bobbi started as a foster dog for the couple, but they couldn't imagine giving her up and ended up adopting her permanently.

"She has changed my life," Heath says. "She has given me so much more than we could have ever imagined. It's really cool to have an extra heartbeat in the house."

Press spoke with PRIDE about the campaign, their dog, and her and Heath's plans for their family and the future.

Jen Rosenstein for PeTA

PRIDE: Where does adopting a foster dog rank on your list of Gayest Accomplishments?

Christen Press: [Laugh] I don't know. I think you have to tell me. We were not planning to foster or to adopt. And it all just happened to us in the loveliest of ways. We were very proud DINKs. I think some people think you can still say double income, no kids with a dog, but I don't. The dog is definitely a large-budget item in our lives now. But yeah, we're loving being young dog parents.

How has adopting a dog changed your life?

A lot of the reason that I wanted to try fostering in the first place was just because Tobin and I are very work-oriented people. And I think being athletes, you don't really know another way other than giving your whole self to your career. And as we enter the last phase of our playing career and, like, start to transition to the next phase, I wanted, honestly, to remind Tobin that there are other things in life other than work that can be quite lovely and nourishing.

And I think that without kind of disrupting the cycle that we're in of like work, work, work between playing and running our business, I needed to disrupt that cycle to just remind us both that there are a lot of ways to have a full and lovely life.

How did Bobbi go from being a foster to a permanent adoption?

I was thinking I'm going to adopt a dog that's not the normal type of dog that Tobin and I have talked about. I'm going to foster a dog that's outside of the norm of what we've talked about that we would have for a dog. Because then it'll be easier to foster, and we'll find a great home, and it'll be so great.

And then we'll have reminded ourselves that we care for things and love things and talk about family planning and all that. And then within three days, I said to Tobin, Oh, we have to take Bob, whose name was Bingo. Bingo is her foster name. We have to take her to Puppy Yoga so she gets adopted. And Tobin was like, "My dog is not going to an adoption yoga session." I was like, well, I guess we've changed our tune here!

Honestly, I wish Tobin was on the phone because she would tell you like Bob has already changed her life. And she started saying that, like on day four, which I thought was quite comical to be honest. But I think it was just such a big shift for us because our job can be so selfish. It can be like, "I have to eat. I have to sleep. I have to travel. I miss my friend's weddings." Like, just this all-encompassing dedication to your craft.

That it's been a really, really big shift for us to say, you know, "We have to come home, take care of the dog. We got to rewrite our schedules. We have to change our lives." And I think we had seen that as like responsibility… [and hadn't thought about] like the joy of coming home to your dog. Like leaving the party early and coming home to just be home with your pup.

I think we had seen that only as something that we didn't want. And with Bob, we realized it was such an important part of life to be able to choose to make sacrifices to take care of something else. And it's been a really, really beautiful addition to our life and family.

What does the next phase include for you?

Well, I do know that there will be at some point life after soccer. And I don't know when that is.

I think the reason that Tobin and I work really well together is we're similar in that we leave a lot of space for exploration. And so, while we've been playing, we've been running our business. So we already have like next phases layered in, and we're co-CEOs. So there's like a natural step ladder for us.

At the same time, Tobin's been doing all sorts of stuff. She's with FIFA at the Men's World Cup as an analyst. She started the World Sevens. And so she's just trying all different things with an open mind and like an eye towards exploration.

And whenever my time at Angel City comes to an end, if it's this year or if it's next year, you know, it's not that far away. And I am excited for an opportunity to travel, an opportunity to explore what other career I might have. And to explore the idea of what it would be like to be, you know, family first, either one of us or both of us, if we decided to grow our family any more.

You and Tobin have been letting the public into your private lives more recently. Why now?

I think as we spend more time in front of the camera on our podcast, the relationship that we have with our community has just grown. And it really is like a two-way relationship that I don't think that most athletes get with their community that we have because of our business. And we have a membership within our business where people interact with our community all the time, right? And so, like, at some point, the lines blur between who's our close friends in real life and who are like these people that we represent and we play for, and they listen to us talk about our problems. And there, it became more intimate, our relationship with the public. And I think that's when we became more comfortable sharing it.

I think that for Tobin and I, we've always believed that it can be tricky to have a public relationship because, to be fair, most of what we've seen is that the women's soccer community really, really loves an openly gay couple, right? And I think the gay community is craving representation, and we really need that, right? So, in a way, the reason that we were at first keeping ourselves more private is so that our relationships stayed sacred for us. And it never became like a business. It never became like, "Oh, it makes sense to do this because, like, this is how we make our money." You know? And with our teammates and other public figures, straight and gay, you can see how that is a tricky thing to navigate.

Of course, we want to be proud and loud and like represent the queer community, of course. But at the same time, it was important for Tobin and I to be athletes first, individual athletes, and businesswomen. And for us to be a brand that's united has been a slow journey that has become more possible as our relationship has become sturdier over time.

Are you proud to be working with PETA on this campaign?

To be a part of this campaign with PETA is such an honor.

I did a campaign with PETA about 10 years ago, right? My parents adopted a dog. We adopted it with my parents, but you know, my childhood dog and me.

And now, 10 years later, it's me and my wife, and our dog inside of our home. And it's like the intimacy is growing. And I am proud of that. And I think it's been really special how we've allowed our relationship with the public and with the community to sort of just slowly and organically blossom and not snowball into something that we weren't ready for. And I'm excited to see what happens next.

Why are you encouraging others to adopt pets?

I just say from the bottom of my heart, I think that there's so many ways that we can all contribute to the world and make our mark. But adopting a pup is a really beautiful thing. And I can't imagine that a gorgeous, smart, hardworking, adorable, lovable dog like mine could be out there and not have a home. But there's billions of them, right? And I just want to encourage people to take a look because taking from a shelter, from rescue organizations, is really important and it's really fulfilling. And it makes Tobin and I really proud. And we hope that and encourage people to look into it and explore with us as well.

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