destinationtoast:AO3 creators… have you ever posted something you didn’t want associated with your main account?*Yes - created a separate accountYes - posted anonymouslyYes - orphaned it after postingYes - posted it under a different pseud (but clearly linked to my main)Yes - Multiple of the aboveNo - I don’t have fanworks I feel that way aboutNo - I do have fanworks I feel that way about but don’t post them at allI didn’t know about these options and am going to go learn a thingVanilla extract /answers pleaseSee Results*Could be something kinky, dark, “weird,” off-brand in some way, etc! But I’m not talking about “I split up my different fandoms into different pseuds” or something else where it’s purely an organizational preference.
*Could be something kinky, dark, "weird," off-brand in some way, etc! But I'm not talking about "I split up my different fandoms into different pseuds" or something else where it's purely an organizational preference.
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#polls #ao3 #orphan account #anonymous works #pseuds #ao3 accounts More you might likeI know I’m an outlier, but how much of an outlier am I?
How many AO3 accounts do you have? Include shared accounts, inactive accounts, and accounts whose login info you can no longer access.
*If you’re unfamiliar, pseuds are an AO3 feature that lets you associate multiple pen names with one account. If you use pseuds, I’d be interested to hear how many you have in the tags!
Anonymous asked:
Hello! Thank you for all your hard work~ I was wondering if you were aware of any stats or papers about commenting trends? I always see writers talking about getting less feedback these days, and I wonder if it's actually that people comment less, or if it is that there are more fandoms / writers / works spreading the fans who do comment thinner. Or if commenters used to be more likely to also be writers as well as readers and are now more likely to be one or the other. Thank you!
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destinationtoast answered:
Hey! Those are good questions. I don’t know of a ton of relevant data, but I’ll throw it out to my readers – does anyone else know of relevant studies/data?
I do have this comment data I collected recently:
We can see that nearly three quarters of fanworks on AO3 have fewer than 10 comments. I’ve looked at popularity metrics a number of times in the past, and when I examine the data from this post in 2014, I see that 12 years ago, over 40% of AO3 works had 0 comments (vs. 25% now). And at that time, only 5% of works had 25+ comments, whereas now 6% of works have 50+ comments.
So it looks like maybe things have actually gotten better, right? And possibly they have, in spite of the general sense from authors/creators that they’re getting less feedback than they used to. But OTOH, the older works have now been around longer and had time to accumulate a bunch more comments. This histogram can’t tell us about the age of the works with more comments, nor how quickly the comments have accumulated.
You are also right that fannish attention is probably spread thinner than before. There are a huge number of fandoms on AO3 (76K as of June 2026), and most of those fandoms are very small, meaning that a lot of attention is spread around – and most people in those fandoms are probably not getting nearly as much feedback as people in some of the really big/really active fandoms. (Though I will note as someone who has made the first/only work in a fandom that the people who DO comment on such a work are often extremely enthusiastic to have found it! :) )
(Sidenote: It’s worth me & other fandom data enthusiasts noting how few fandoms have 10K+ works, given how many fandom stats are about the big fandoms!)
I don’t have historical numbers on fandom sizes for comparison. But I expect that there has been a significant shift toward more smaller fandoms on AO3 (and elsewhere), given how the general cultural attention to media has fragmented over time. I have seen indirect evidence of such fragmentation… I recently compared the popular ships from 2013 to those now (forthcoming work!) and shockingly, most of the top 5 ships are the same now as in 2013. Which is undoubtedly due to a variety of factors, but it is consistent with the idea that fannish attention has spread out from the early mega-fandoms to a much wider set of new fandoms and ships now, and so very few new ships have gotten as much attention as the early mega-ships.
I do think commenting culture has almost certainly changed some over time, too. But it’s a bit tricky figure out how to quantify shifts. Even if we looked at a bunch of random works over AO3 ’s history and compared their numbers of comments to see how average comment number is changing over time, there are complications. As I mentioned before, newer works haven’t had as much time to accumulate comments as older ones. And I’ve also seen in the past that average numbers of kudos/comments/etc. can vary wildly by fandom/ship/tags. But that said, I could imagine sampling a whole bunch of works from different time periods and looking at how quickly they got their first comment, second comment, etc. If commenting has slowed down, then the time to the Nth comment would be longer now than before. (That would only partially address your questions, but could be interesting.) I kinda expect that maybe that’s not true for the new hotness like Heated Rivalry but is true for smaller fandoms, but that’s pure speculation!
I guess I could also write code to scrape my own AO3 inbox info (and my own Works posted dates) to gather the timing info for all the comments on my works. Then I could look at how commenting rate has changed over time for me and my own stories. But that wouldn’t tell me much unless I also got a ton of other people to use my code to scrape their own comment/work timing info and then shared that with me. On the one hand, that could help us look at longitudinal changes on the same creators over time, which would be interesting. On the other hand, it would introduce sampling bias (which creators are sharing their data? probably not a representative set!) and also be a heck of a lot of work. :)
I’m curious whether anyone else has ideas for methods of investigating! Maybe there are survey questions that would also be useful to ask, or other ways to investigate. I think the questions around how much writers overlap with commenters (or anything else involving individual commenter identities), are ones I would hesitate to try to address through scraping due to potential privacy issues – so something like survey questions might be a better approach there.
(Note also that I’m not signing up to do further research here, mind you, but it’s interesting to at least think through what would provide answers to these questions. :) )
One final note: For any histogram of things like number of comments or sizes of fandoms, it’s almost always the case that most things are in the smallest bucket due to power laws. But interestingly, that’s not what we see with comments when we zoom in:
It’s very cool to see that there are more works with two comments than one, more with four than three, and so on. I think this speaks to how much authors appreciate comments: they often reply, and so comments frequently occur in pairs!
Inspired by the amazing stats @toastystats has shared with us I decided to analyse the Manga & Anime fandoms on ao3. This post is the first part of a wider research I plan on doing. Enjoy!
On the date of research there was a total of 549070 works published in the Anime & Manga category on ao3, within 2136 different fandoms.
54.9% of the total works in the Anime & Manga category was made by the top 20 fandoms.

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88.1% of the total works in the Anime & Manga category was made by the top 100 fandoms.
The remaining 2036 fandoms made only 21.9% of the total works. 1343 of these had less than 10 works per fandom.
* The data was gathered from ao3 on November 25th, 2017
Awesome – thanks for sharing! looking forward to seeing more in this series. :D
@once-a-polecat asked a thoughtful and interesting question in response to my post about Canon gender representation & shipping:
So, I know this is a VERY small number of characters (statistically speaking), but how do you deal with, or plan to deal with, the increasing numbers of characters who are non-binary in canon? (Jim Jimenez in OFMD, or Desire in Sandman for instance.) If you’re documenting how prevalent it is that fans introduce gender diversity to binary characters at some point you have to address the question of canon characters who do not have a binary gender.
And I understand how much of a tricky question this is because it’s less easily traced across fandoms and some characters may not have a binary gender in ways that do not track with Western human society (they may have culturally significant genders or be non-human beings etc…), but small numbers and diverse types of genders gets difficult for data visualization purposes.
I wanted to give a long-ish answer (or really, to discuss a number of possible answers, all of which sometimes apply but aren't complete on their own), and I also wanted to open it up to others for ideas, so rather than reply in the notes, I'm replying here.
One answer is to say that I'm limited by the data I have available about canon (e.g., in that past 2018 work I was pointing to about Gender representation in canon vs. fanworks, I was working with someone else's movie data set, which didn't contain any data about canon nonbinary characters). That raises a question for future analyses -- does anyone know of a reliable list of canon nonbinary characters that is kept up-to-date? How good is Wikipedia's List of fictional non-binary characters, e.g.? Also interested in lists of canon trans characters.
(A quick aside, because I'm about to talk about limitations: I'm incredibly grateful for the AO3 tagging system, and everyone who makes it work! In part because it allows me to do far more complex stats about all this stuff than any other fandom platform -- or other media platforms, period. And because it gives us all some pretty outstanding sorting and filtering superpowers. Hallelujah! Okay, now onto some limitations. :) )
Another possible answer is to say that my stats are about how people tag things on AO3. So for the most part, I just follow however people are tagging things on AO3 -- and if AO3 users start tagging more ships as "Other" as they often do when a canon nonbinary character like Jim Jimenez or Desire is involved, some of my tag-based stats will pick up that kind of thing (even though I'm currently investigating F/F and M/M specifically, about which more below, I do often include more shipping categories than that). However, this is also only somewhat satisfying, since tagging practices differ between fandoms and change over time (e.g., I *think* more people used to tag some ships involving nonbinary characters, like LaFontaine/Perry from Carmilla, with gendered tags like "F/F" rather than with "Other" -- though maybe that particular example was just because L/P was often a background ship). And I know the use of "Other" can also be touchy; it can be frustrating to lump together human-only ships like Oluwande Boodhari/Jim Jimenez with ones like Eddie Brock/Venom Symbiote, for one thing. (And AO3 could even change some of these tagging options in the future, which might make such data even less useful.)
Another answer is to say, "Nonbinary characters are usually just noise, statistically, because there are so few of them -- I can ignore them most of the time." (Which you nodded to in your question, though you didn't suggest being so dismissive about it. :) ) There are some times when I make those kind of omissions or oversimplifications, though I avoid it when possible. For the purposes of my upcoming "F/F vs. M/M" analysis, this answer and the previous one both come into play -- my initial goal is to look at how explicitly queer fic differs between fanworks tagged "F/F" vs. "M/M." Which will unfortunately miss a whole bunch of queer fanworks featuring nonbinary characters. But I am going to simplify things by initially focusing on those two largest and most explicitly queer ship tags.
A final answer is to say that I've tried to make up for limitations in my other work by explicitly seeking out and analyzing gender diversity in some of my stats, like my analyses of Trans, nonbinary, and gender-diverse characters on AO3. At the same time, because I don't know which characters are trans or nonbinary in canon, those stats have been vague about which gender diversity is coming from canon vs. from fandom -- see my above question about good lists of canon gender diversity. (Also, this doesn't capture types of gender diversity that aren't reflected in the tags.)
Finally, a shoutout to @centrumlumina who does a fantastic job hand-labeling the gender and race of all the characters for the annual top AO3 ships analysis. I am in complete awe. Canon race and gender are both things I wish were easier to analyze/find data about -- but at least for the characters in the top 100 ships each year, Lulu has provided a great data source!
Thanks for the question -- curious to hear if/how others think about this topic.
Note: original post may contain edits for clarity that are not reflected here – you might want to click through to the original!
none-ofthisnonsense asked:
Hi! You may have answered this already, sorry, but I was wondering if there was a way to get at least a rough estimate of the proportion of AO3 users that post fics? A sort of "the average AO3 user posts 0.3 fics, the average AO3 poster posts 1.5 fics" kind of thing. Or maybe there's no way to get these stats at all! But thought I'd ask if you had any insight. Thank you!
destinationtoast answered:
Hey! Nobody has asked me that to the best of my recollection. I don’t have stats on it and don’t know anyone who does – but if someone has data/knows of relevant data, please reply!
Based on the AO3 homepage, we can get the following info:
“more than 83,040 fandoms | 11,800,000 users | 18,550,000 works”
Which means that in one sense the average (mean) is 18.55/11.80 = ~1.57 works per AO3 user. However, a lot of users post nothing (as you allude to in your example stats). And even among people who do post, averages of this sort are wildly skewed by outliers – some individuals have thousands of fanworks and drag the average way up.
I have a bunch of further methodology thoughts below on how to try to get better answers through scraping. But first – a poll! (This poll will inevitably be biased toward people who post to AO3, because of who follows me and who is likely to participate in polls. Still, why not start here? :) )
Please share your exact answer in the tags/comments if you feel like it!
Okay! Further methodology thoughts/questions about author stats:
timetravelingsherlockian asked:
Question: Several years ago, you outlined the most common fic wordcounts for AO3. Given that the data was from 2014, will you do an update to see if fics have gotten, on average, longer/shorter over time? (P.S. Thank you for creating these! I've followed your blog for a number of years, and your analyses help put fandoms and fandom trends in perspective.)
destinationtoast answered:
Good question (and thank you :) )! I just took a look, and I was interested to find that AO3 fanworks have, on average, gotten longer over the past 10 years.
Here’s the data from 2014:
And here’s updated data from 2024:
These graphs, along with the data and any clarifications and corrections are also available on AO3.
Oops, there was an error – the longest work is “only” 8.6 million words long. :) Updated to fix the image (and to add image captions also).
I'm going to be on a panel at WorldCon about The Rise and Fall of Fandoms (as well as several other panels). I'm gathering data now about the life cycle of a number of the popular fandoms on AO3. Would love your help in the notes identifying particularly interesting/surprising fandoms!
(feel free to include fandoms that had their heyday before AO3 or on other platforms!)
I've always kept my bookmarks private, not because I'm embarrassed or I'm putting negative comments in them or anything, just because if I have the option to keep extra information about my habits hidden on an account that anyone could find I will almost always take it
However I've seen some people say that not having public bookmarks is "suspicious" or "not respecting the culture of ao3". So I'm curious to hear people's thoughts on this and see how many people are in the same boat as me lol
For those who might happen across this, I'm an administrator for the forum 'Sufficient Velocity', a large old-school forum oriented around Creative Writing. I originally posted this on there (and any reference to 'here' will mean the forum), but I felt I might as well throw it up here, as well, even if I don't actually have any followers.
This week, I've been reading fanfiction on Archive of Our Own (AO3), a site run by the Organisation for Transformative Works (OTW), a non-profit. This isn't particularly exceptional, in and of itself — like many others on the site, I read a lot of fanfiction, both on Sufficient Velocity (SV) and elsewhere — however what was bizarre to me was encountering a new prefix on certain works, that of 'End OTW Racism'. While I'm sure a number of people were already familiar with this, I was not, so I looked into it.
What I found... wasn't great. And I don't think anyone involved realises that.
To summarise the details, the #EndOTWRacism campaign, of which you may find their manifesto here, is a campaign oriented towards seeing hateful or discriminatory works removed from AO3 — and believe me, there is a lot of it. To whit, they want the OTW to moderate them. A laudable goal, on the face of it — certainly, we do something similar on Sufficient Velocity with Rule 2 and, to be clear, nothing I say here is a critique of Rule 2 (or, indeed, Rule 6) on SV.
But it's not that simple, not when you're the size of Archive of Our Own. So, let's talk about the vagaries and little-known pitfalls of content moderation, particularly as it applies to digital fiction and at scale. Let's dig into some of the details — as far as credentials go, I have, unfortunately, been in moderation and/or administration on SV for about six years and this is something we have to grapple with regularly, so I would like to say I can speak with some degree of expertise on the subject.
So, what are the problems with moderating bad works from a site? Let's start with discovery— that is to say, how you find rule-breaching works in the first place. There are more-or-less two different ways to approach manual content moderation of open submissions on a digital platform: review-based and report-based (you could also call them curation-based and flag-based), with various combinations of the two. Automated content moderation isn't something I'm going to cover here — I feel I can safely assume I'm preaching to the choir when I say it's a bad idea, and if I'm not, I'll just note that the least absurd outcome we had when simulating AI moderation (mostly for the sake of an academic exercise) on SV was banning all the staff.
In a review-based system, you check someone's work and approve it to the site upon verifying that it doesn't breach your content rules. Generally pretty simple, we used to do something like it on request. Unfortunately, if you do that, it can void your safe harbour protections in the US per Myeress vs. Buzzfeed Inc. This case, if you weren't aware, is why we stopped offering content review on SV. Suffice to say, it's not really a realistic option for anyone large enough for the courts to notice, and extremely clunky and unpleasant for the users, to boot.
Report-based systems, on the other hand, are something we use today — users find works they think are in breach and alert the moderation team to their presence with a report. On SV, this works pretty well — a user or users flag a work as potentially troublesome, moderation investigate it and either action it or reject the report. Unfortunately, AO3 is not SV. I'll get into the details of that dreadful beast known as scaling later, but thankfully we do have a much better comparison point — fanfiction.net (FFN).
FFN has had two great purges over the years, with a... mixed amount of content moderation applied in between: one in 2002 when the NC-17 rating was removed, and one in 2012. Both, ostensibly, were targeted at adult content. In practice, many fics that wouldn't raise an eye on Spacebattles today or Sufficient Velocity prior to 2018 were also removed; a number of reports suggest that something as simple as having a swearword in your title or summary was enough to get you hit, even if you were a 'T' rated work. Most disturbingly of all, there are a number of — impossible to substantiate — accounts of groups such as the infamous Critics United 'mass reporting' works to trigger a strike to get them removed. I would suggest reading further on places like Fanlore if you are unfamiliar and want to know more.
Despite its flaws however, report-based moderation is more-or-less the only option, and this segues neatly into the next piece of the puzzle that is content moderation, that is to say, the rubric. How do you decide what is, and what isn't against the rules of your site?
Anyone who's complained to the staff about how vague the rules are on SV may have had this explained to them, but as that is likely not many of you, I'll summarise: the more precise and clear-cut your chosen rubric is, the more it will inevitably need to resemble a legal document — and the less readable it is to the layman. We'll return to SV for an example here: many newer users will not be aware of this, but SV used to have a much more 'line by line, clearly delineated' set of rules and... people kind of hated it! An infraction would reference 'Community Compact III.15.5' rather than Rule 3, because it was more or less written in the same manner as the Terms of Service (sans the legal terms of art). While it was a more legible rubric from a certain perspective, from the perspective of communicating expectations to the users it was inferior to our current set of rules — even less of them read it, and we don't have great uptake right now.
And it still wasn't really an improvement over our current set-up when it comes to 'moderation consistency'. Even without getting into the nuts and bolts of "how do you define a racist work in a way that does not, at any point, say words to the effect of 'I know it when I see it'" — which is itself very, very difficult don't get me wrong I'm not dismissing this — you are stuck with finding an appropriate footing between a spectrum of 'the US penal code' and 'don't be a dick' as your rubric. Going for the penal code side doesn't help nearly as much as you might expect with moderation consistency, either — no matter what, you will never have a 100% correct call rate. You have the impossible task of writing a rubric that is easy for users to comprehend, extremely clear for moderation and capable of cleanly defining what is and what isn't racist without relying on moderator judgement, something which you cannot trust when operating at scale.
Speaking of scale, it's time to move on to the third prong — and the last covered in this ramble, which is more of a brief overview than anything truly in-depth — which is resources. Moderation is not a magic wand, you can't conjure it out of nowhere: you need to spend an enormous amount of time, effort and money on building, training and equipping a moderation staff, even a volunteer one, and it is far, far from an instant process. Our most recent tranche of moderators spent several months in training and it will likely be some months more before they're fully comfortable in the role — and that's with a relatively robust bureaucracy and a number of highly experienced mentors supporting them, something that is not going to be available to a new moderation branch with little to no experience. Beyond that, there's the matter of sheer numbers.
Combining both moderation and arbitration — because for volunteer staff, pure moderation is in actuality less efficient in my eyes, for a variety of reasons beyond the scope of this post, but we'll treat it as if they're both just 'moderators' — SV presently has 34 dedicated moderation volunteers. SV hosts ~785 million words of creative writing.
AO3 hosts ~32 billion.
These are some very rough and simplified figures, but if you completely ignore all the usual problems of scaling manpower in a business (or pseudo-business), such as (but not limited to) geometrically increasing bureaucratic complexity and administrative burden, along with all the particular issues of volunteer moderation... AO3 would still need well over one thousand volunteer moderators to be able to match SV's moderator-to-creative-wordcount ratio.
Paid moderation, of course, you can get away with less — my estimate is that you could fully moderate SV with, at best, ~8 full-time moderators, still ignoring administrative burden above the level of team leader. This leaves AO3 only needing a much more modest ~350 moderators. At the US minimum wage of ~$15k p.a. — which is, in my eyes, deeply unethical to pay moderators as full-time moderation is an intensely gruelling role with extremely high rates of PTSD and other stress-related conditions — that is approximately ~$5.25m p.a. costs on moderator wages. Their average annual budget is a bit over $500k.
So, that's obviously not on the table, and we return to volunteer staffing. Which... let's examine that scenario and the questions it leaves us with, as our conclusion.
Let's say, through some miracle, AO3 succeeds in finding those hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of volunteer moderators. We'll even say none of them are malicious actors or sufficiently incompetent as to be indistinguishable, and that they manage to replicate something on the level of or superior to our moderation tooling near-instantly at no cost. We still have several questions to be answered:
I could go on for a fair bit here, but this has already stretched out to over two thousand words.
I think the people behind this movement have their hearts in the right place and the sentiment is laudable, but in practice it is simply 'won't someone think of the children' in a funny hat. It cannot be done.
Even if you could somehow meet the bare minimum thresholds, you are simply not going to manage a ruleset of sufficient clarity so as to prevent a much-worse repeat of the 2012 FF.net massacre, you are not going to be able to manage a moderation staff of that size and you are not going to be able to ensure a coherent understanding among all your users (we haven't managed that after nearly ten years and a much smaller and more engaged userbase). There's a serious number of other issues I haven't covered here as well, as this really is just an attempt at giving some insight into the sheer number of moving parts behind content moderation: the movement wants off-site content to be policed which isn't so much its own barrel of fish as it is its own barrel of Cthulhu; AO3 is far from English-only and would in actuality need moderators for almost every language it supports — and most damning of all, if Section 230 is wiped out by the Supreme Court it is not unlikely that engaging in content moderation at all could simply see AO3 shut down.
As sucky as it seems, the current status quo really is the best situation possible. Sorry about that.
SV presently has 34 dedicated moderation volunteers. SV hosts ~785 million words of creative writing.
AO3 hosts ~32 billion.
Sharing this for the word count info at the bottom: AO3 currently hosts ~32 billion words of written content.
The Policy & Abuse committee is posting a weekly spotlight series explaining some of the most common violations of the #AO3 Terms of Service. This week's spotlight is on non-fanworks. Read more at: https://otw-news.org/2p85b7np
I've run into confusion about what can be posted on AO3 in the past -- especially in the form of people saying that original work or fandom stats are inappropriate for the archive. This blog post contains the following helpful rundown (bolding is mine):
AO3 is an archive for fanworks, not other kinds of content.
AO3 has a very specific purpose: to host fanworks, and only fanworks. Our definition of “fanwork” is broad: fanworks can take many shapes and forms, including fanfiction, fanart, podfics, fanvids, fancrafts, fannish non-fiction, original works that use fannish tropes, and more. AO3 was designed by and for fans to be a place where fanworks like these could be safely preserved and shared. We will not expand our mission or services to host non-fanwork content.
What are some examples of non-fanworks?
Works that are not fanworks should not be posted to AO3. These include (but are not limited to):
Fic searches or requests for recommendations
Advertisements for roleplay partners or servers
Personal messages to other users
Updates, polls, or announcements
Reaction, blog, or vent posts
Spam, shitposts, or memes
Reposted novels or other published works
Placeholders and other empty works
Links to or lists of works you’ve read or created
Ideas or prompts for fanworks
Requests for other users to provide you with ideas or prompts for fanworks
Fandom stats (and other fandom research and data analysis) falls under "fannish non-fiction." Original works that have fannish tropes are also okay.
The whole blog post is useful -- it also shares alternate tools available for some of those non-fanwork purposes like prompting. And it gives guidance on how to most helpfully report non-fanworks without overwhelming the reviewers. Thank you, Policy & Abuse volunteers!