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I’m going to be on a panel at WorldCon about The Rise and Fall of Fandoms (as well as several other…

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destinationtoast:Are there fandoms with a longevity that surprised you?Yes - fandom(s) that have stayed active long past canon releasesYes - fandom(s) that surprised me with their staying power in another wayYes - bothNoVanilla extract / nuance / answers pleaseSee ResultsI’m going to be on a panel at WorldCon about The Rise and Fall of Fandoms (as well as several other panels). I’m gathering data now about the life cycle of a number of the popular fandoms on AO3. Would love your help in the notes identifying particularly interesting/surprising fandoms! (feel free to include fandoms that had their heyday before AO3 or on other platforms!)

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I'm going to be on a panel at WorldCon about The Rise and Fall of Fandoms (as well as several other panels). I'm gathering data now about the life cycle of a number of the popular fandoms on AO3. Would love your help in the notes identifying particularly interesting/surprising fandoms!

(feel free to include fandoms that had their heyday before AO3 or on other platforms!)

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Rise and fall of fandoms

One of my Worldcon panels is starting soon, and I’ll be sharing/referencing some of this AO3 data there. I’ll write it all up here & on AO3 in more detail soon and also expand it – I have analyses of other fandoms I didn’t have time to share yet.

Thanks so much to everyone who contributed thoughts and ideas about fandom longevity here and in the fandom data projects community!

(NB: there may be some data errors as I’ve been testing out a new scraper that pulls from new sources of data – code also to be shared soon – please do LMK if you spot any issues so I can fix things! One difference here from some of my other analyses is that I’m looking at when AO3 works were created vs. when they were last revised (and then trying to factor out Open Doors imports); I’m also attempting to pull in canon data info, but it’s not always reliable.)

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How to address non-binary characters in fandom stats about gender

@once-a-polecat asked a thoughtful and interesting question in response to my post about Canon gender representation & shipping:

So, I know this is a VERY small number of characters (statistically speaking), but how do you deal with, or plan to deal with, the increasing numbers of characters who are non-binary in canon? (Jim Jimenez in OFMD, or Desire in Sandman for instance.) If you’re documenting how prevalent it is that fans introduce gender diversity to binary characters at some point you have to address the question of canon characters who do not have a binary gender.
And I understand how much of a tricky question this is because it’s less easily traced across fandoms and some characters may not have a binary gender in ways that do not track with Western human society (they may have culturally significant genders or be non-human beings etc…), but small numbers and diverse types of genders gets difficult for data visualization purposes.

I wanted to give a long-ish answer (or really, to discuss a number of possible answers, all of which sometimes apply but aren't complete on their own), and I also wanted to open it up to others for ideas, so rather than reply in the notes, I'm replying here.

One answer is to say that I'm limited by the data I have available about canon (e.g., in that past 2018 work I was pointing to about Gender representation in canon vs. fanworks, I was working with someone else's movie data set, which didn't contain any data about canon nonbinary characters). That raises a question for future analyses -- does anyone know of a reliable list of canon nonbinary characters that is kept up-to-date? How good is Wikipedia's List of fictional non-binary characters, e.g.? Also interested in lists of canon trans characters.

(A quick aside, because I'm about to talk about limitations: I'm incredibly grateful for the AO3 tagging system, and everyone who makes it work! In part because it allows me to do far more complex stats about all this stuff than any other fandom platform -- or other media platforms, period. And because it gives us all some pretty outstanding sorting and filtering superpowers. Hallelujah! Okay, now onto some limitations. :) )

Another possible answer is to say that my stats are about how people tag things on AO3. So for the most part, I just follow however people are tagging things on AO3 -- and if AO3 users start tagging more ships as "Other" as they often do when a canon nonbinary character like Jim Jimenez or Desire is involved, some of my tag-based stats will pick up that kind of thing (even though I'm currently investigating F/F and M/M specifically, about which more below, I do often include more shipping categories than that). However, this is also only somewhat satisfying, since tagging practices differ between fandoms and change over time (e.g., I *think* more people used to tag some ships involving nonbinary characters, like LaFontaine/Perry from Carmilla, with gendered tags like "F/F" rather than with "Other" -- though maybe that particular example was just because L/P was often a background ship). And I know the use of "Other" can also be touchy; it can be frustrating to lump together human-only ships like Oluwande Boodhari/Jim Jimenez with ones like Eddie Brock/Venom Symbiote, for one thing. (And AO3 could even change some of these tagging options in the future, which might make such data even less useful.)

Another answer is to say, "Nonbinary characters are usually just noise, statistically, because there are so few of them -- I can ignore them most of the time." (Which you nodded to in your question, though you didn't suggest being so dismissive about it. :) ) There are some times when I make those kind of omissions or oversimplifications, though I avoid it when possible. For the purposes of my upcoming "F/F vs. M/M" analysis, this answer and the previous one both come into play -- my initial goal is to look at how explicitly queer fic differs between fanworks tagged "F/F" vs. "M/M." Which will unfortunately miss a whole bunch of queer fanworks featuring nonbinary characters. But I am going to simplify things by initially focusing on those two largest and most explicitly queer ship tags.

A final answer is to say that I've tried to make up for limitations in my other work by explicitly seeking out and analyzing gender diversity in some of my stats, like my analyses of Trans, nonbinary, and gender-diverse characters on AO3. At the same time, because I don't know which characters are trans or nonbinary in canon, those stats have been vague about which gender diversity is coming from canon vs. from fandom -- see my above question about good lists of canon gender diversity. (Also, this doesn't capture types of gender diversity that aren't reflected in the tags.)

Finally, a shoutout to @centrumlumina who does a fantastic job hand-labeling the gender and race of all the characters for the annual top AO3 ships analysis. I am in complete awe. Canon race and gender are both things I wish were easier to analyze/find data about -- but at least for the characters in the top 100 ships each year, Lulu has provided a great data source!

Thanks for the question -- curious to hear if/how others think about this topic.

Note: original post may contain edits for clarity that are not reflected here – you might want to click through to the original!

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How important is canon, anyway?

One of my Worldcon panels is starting soon – come hear me talk with my fellow panelists about AUs, fix-its, and more! I’ll be sharing/referencing some of this AO3 data there. I’ll write it all up here & on AO3 in more detail soon.

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Transformative works data analysis

My slides for my final Worldcon panel! Once again, I will be writing all this up in more detail and sharing it here and on AO3.

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azriona asked:

Hi, Toast! A friend and I were chatting and it feels like there's a lull in new fic being posted currently in our corner of fandom. Have you done any statistics on the most popular months/seasons/days for posting fanfic?

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destinationtoast answered:

Hello!! <3 I haven’t addressed this directly. AO3 has shared site stats that contain some relevant info:

https://archiveofourown.org/admin_posts/33966

For instance, they shared a graph of comments posted per month (which probably closely correlates with new works posted per month), and they share traffic stats per day of the week.

I know I’ve seen other graphs about posting rates! Readers, wanna remind me of other relevant data? :)

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Anonymous asked:

Hello! Thank you for all your hard work~ I was wondering if you were aware of any stats or papers about commenting trends? I always see writers talking about getting less feedback these days, and I wonder if it's actually that people comment less, or if it is that there are more fandoms / writers / works spreading the fans who do comment thinner. Or if commenters used to be more likely to also be writers as well as readers and are now more likely to be one or the other. Thank you!

destinationtoast answered:

Hey! Those are good questions. I don’t know of a ton of relevant data, but I’ll throw it out to my readers – does anyone else know of relevant studies/data?

I do have this comment data I collected recently:

A histogram showing the percent of works on AO3 that have various amounts of comments as of June 2026.  The total number of works on AO3 is 17.6 million.  25% of works have no comments.  48% have 1 to 10 comments, 12% have 11 to 20, and then the numbers get quite small. (I'll share the full data when I post this to AO3.)ALT

We can see that nearly three quarters of fanworks on AO3 have fewer than 10 comments. I’ve looked at popularity metrics a number of times in the past, and when I examine the data from this post in 2014, I see that 12 years ago, over 40% of AO3 works had 0 comments (vs. 25% now). And at that time, only 5% of works had 25+ comments, whereas now 6% of works have 50+ comments.

So it looks like maybe things have actually gotten better, right? And possibly they have, in spite of the general sense from authors/creators that they’re getting less feedback than they used to. But OTOH, the older works have now been around longer and had time to accumulate a bunch more comments. This histogram can’t tell us about the age of the works with more comments, nor how quickly the comments have accumulated.

You are also right that fannish attention is probably spread thinner than before. There are a huge number of fandoms on AO3 (76K as of June 2026), and most of those fandoms are very small, meaning that a lot of attention is spread around – and most people in those fandoms are probably not getting nearly as much feedback as people in some of the really big/really active fandoms. (Though I will note as someone who has made the first/only work in a fandom that the people who DO comment on such a work are often extremely enthusiastic to have found it! :) )

A histogram showing the percent of fandoms on AO3 of various sizes as of June 2026.   The total number of fandoms on AO3 is 76 thousand. A whopping 56% of AO3 fandoms have 1 to 10 fanworks.  99% of fandoms have fewer than 10K fanworks.  (I'll share the full data when I post this to AO3.)ALT

(Sidenote: It’s worth me & other fandom data enthusiasts noting how few fandoms have 10K+ works, given how many fandom stats are about the big fandoms!)

I don’t have historical numbers on fandom sizes for comparison. But I expect that there has been a significant shift toward more smaller fandoms on AO3 (and elsewhere), given how the general cultural attention to media has fragmented over time. I have seen indirect evidence of such fragmentation… I recently compared the popular ships from 2013 to those now (forthcoming work!) and shockingly, most of the top 5 ships are the same now as in 2013. Which is undoubtedly due to a variety of factors, but it is consistent with the idea that fannish attention has spread out from the early mega-fandoms to a much wider set of new fandoms and ships now, and so very few new ships have gotten as much attention as the early mega-ships.

I do think commenting culture has almost certainly changed some over time, too. But it’s a bit tricky figure out how to quantify shifts. Even if we looked at a bunch of random works over AO3 ’s history and compared their numbers of comments to see how average comment number is changing over time, there are complications. As I mentioned before, newer works haven’t had as much time to accumulate comments as older ones. And I’ve also seen in the past that average numbers of kudos/comments/etc. can vary wildly by fandom/ship/tags. But that said, I could imagine sampling a whole bunch of works from different time periods and looking at how quickly they got their first comment, second comment, etc. If commenting has slowed down, then the time to the Nth comment would be longer now than before. (That would only partially address your questions, but could be interesting.) I kinda expect that maybe that’s not true for the new hotness like Heated Rivalry but is true for smaller fandoms, but that’s pure speculation!

I guess I could also write code to scrape my own AO3 inbox info (and my own Works posted dates) to gather the timing info for all the comments on my works. Then I could look at how commenting rate has changed over time for me and my own stories. But that wouldn’t tell me much unless I also got a ton of other people to use my code to scrape their own comment/work timing info and then shared that with me. On the one hand, that could help us look at longitudinal changes on the same creators over time, which would be interesting. On the other hand, it would introduce sampling bias (which creators are sharing their data? probably not a representative set!) and also be a heck of a lot of work. :)

I’m curious whether anyone else has ideas for methods of investigating! Maybe there are survey questions that would also be useful to ask, or other ways to investigate. I think the questions around how much writers overlap with commenters (or anything else involving individual commenter identities), are ones I would hesitate to try to address through scraping due to potential privacy issues – so something like survey questions might be a better approach there.

(Note also that I’m not signing up to do further research here, mind you, but it’s interesting to at least think through what would provide answers to these questions. :) )

One final note: For any histogram of things like number of comments or sizes of fandoms, it’s almost always the case that most things are in the smallest bucket due to power laws. But interestingly, that’s not what we see with comments when we zoom in:

A zoomed in histogram showing the percentage of works with between 1 and 10 comments.  7% of works have 1 comment, and 10% of works have 2 comments.  That pattern of more works with even comments continues -- there are more works with 4 comments than 3 comments, and so on. (I'll share the full data when I post this to AO3.)ALT

It’s very cool to see that there are more works with two comments than one, more with four than three, and so on. I think this speaks to how much authors appreciate comments: they often reply, and so comments frequently occur in pairs!

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Ao3 statistics - Anime & Manga

Inspired by the amazing stats @toastystats has shared with us I decided to analyse the Manga & Anime fandoms on ao3. This post is the first part of a wider research I plan on doing. Enjoy!


On the date of research there was a total of 549070 works published in the Anime & Manga category on ao3, within 2136 different fandoms.

54.9% of the total works in the Anime & Manga category was made by the top 20 fandoms. 

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88.1% of the total works in the Anime & Manga category was made by the top 100 fandoms. 

The remaining 2036 fandoms made only 21.9% of the total works. 1343 of these had less than 10 works per fandom.


* The data was gathered from ao3 on November 25th, 2017

Awesome – thanks for sharing! looking forward to seeing more in this series. :D

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timetravelingsherlockian asked:

Question: Several years ago, you outlined the most common fic wordcounts for AO3. Given that the data was from 2014, will you do an update to see if fics have gotten, on average, longer/shorter over time? (P.S. Thank you for creating these! I've followed your blog for a number of years, and your analyses help put fandoms and fandom trends in perspective.)

destinationtoast answered:

Good question (and thank you :) )! I just took a look, and I was interested to find that AO3 fanworks have, on average, gotten longer over the past 10 years.

Here’s the data from 2014:

A graph titled "How many words do fanworks have? [AO3, Nov 2014]"  Based on the following data: Percentile Word count 0% 0 10% 307 50% 1,642 90% 11,034ALT

And here’s updated data from 2024:

A graph titled "How many words do AO3 fanworks have? [2024]"  Based on the following data: Percentile Word count 0% 0 10% 459 20% 839 30% 1,216 40% 1,673 50% 2,270 60% 3,119 70% 4,484 80% 7,188 90% 15,479 95% 30,731ALT

These graphs, along with the data and any clarifications and corrections are also available on AO3.

Oops, there was an error – the longest work is “only” 8.6 million words long. :) Updated to fix the image (and to add image captions also).

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sanguinerosie asked:

hi! research question I'd love your input on:

do you know how to generate size-of-fandom stats? I'm researching the Ghost fandom and while I know from the This Week in Tumblr posts about what their size is *now,* I'd like to try to compare it to past years, and be able to make statements like "x% of the fandom is reblogging explicit content."

I'm also looking for deeper info on how tumblr works if someone deactivates - do their notes vanish too?

destinationtoast answered:

It sounds like you want to gather Tumblr information only – is that right? I don’t have a lot of expertise with Tumblr data (I think I last gathered some over a decade ago), but it looks like their API still lets you retrieve posts with a certain tag and specify a timestamp, if you’re willing to do a bit of programming. So you could, e.g., retrieve the last N posts of each month that use a particular fandom tag. And then you can compare those samples of posts to see how the content has changed over time. If you want to do that, there are libraries in Python and probably other languages that can make it easier to work with the Tumblr API.

I believe the posts retrieved this way don’t include reblogs, so you’d also have to look at the post notes to get info about how many reblogs different types of posts are getting. As to your question of deactivated accounts within those notes, I’m not certain of the answer. I frequently see reblog chains where some accounts in the chain have deactivated, so those notes are not entirely gone. But I don’t know if the replies/likes from deactivated accounts disappear from post notes. Anyone else know?

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WorldCon panels! (Aug 27-31)

I'll be on the following panels (all virtual):

  • The Rise and Fall of Fandoms - Thurs (8/27) 3:00 PM PDT
  • Tropes in Transformative Works - Thurs (8/27) 7:30 PM PDT
  • How Important Is Canon Anyway? - Sat (8/29) 6:00 PM PDT
  • Transformative Works Data Analysis - Sun (8/30) 12:00 PM PDT (also featuring @centrumlumina / centreoftheselights of shipping stats & fandom demographics!)

I'm looking forward to it! I haven't been to WorldCon before (and I'm only attending this one online)... anything I should know? Who else will be attending?

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